Episode 52

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Published on:

16th Mar 2023

Growth And Transformation Through Technology and Coaching

In this episode, Damien and Penny discuss how accounting and bookkeeping firms have been impacted by the pandemic. They discuss Penny’s recent trip to Chennai and how people are shifting towards remote work, businesses have had to adjust to a high rate of turnover, and schools have been on Zoom for two years. They delve into gender inequality and unequal representation in the workforce, as well as the importance of allowing people to tell their own stories.

Tune in as Damien and Penny discuss the current state of accounting firms in the age of the pandemic!


[00:00 - 01:55] Opening Segment

  • Penny recently traveled to Chennai and noticed some similarities between India and the US in terms of remote work preferences and difficulty finding employees
  • Business owners in Chennai are having difficulty filling jobs due to a lack of education caused by the pandemic


[01:56 - 13:12] Growth And Transformation Through Technology and Coaching

  • Investment in the office space, HR person, and administrative assistant
  • Change is difficult for accountants
  • Hiring technology people to work with apps and train on the accounting part
  • Building camaraderie among team members
  • Leadership classes for team leaders
  • Openness and freedom of employees to state what they want


[13:13 - 25:42] Exploring Opportunities For Change In Accounting And Bookkeeping Firms

  • They talk about clients having problems with QuickBooks
  • Accounting firms struggling to communicate the value of services effectively
  • Tax business model doing the rest of the profession a disservice
  • Providing timely, paperless, digital access, and good communication back and forth leads to little price resistance


[25:43 - 37:19] Closing Segment

  • Damien and Penny share with the listeners that having control of the flow of accounting data starting January 1st makes doing the tax return easier!


Tweetable Quotes

“If you could control the flow of the accounting data starting January 1st, and you can do it under the control of you are going to have access to everything you need when you need it to close those books every month. Then doing the tax return is easy.” - Penny Breslin


“At the end of the day, it's an accounting firm, probably just like yours with people, with technology, with the process and, and challenges and, and, and solving those challenges, and instead of the individual clients being the business client, and the actual client is the accounting firm.” – Damien Greathead


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About the Podcast

It's not Just the Numbers
Focused on CAS, this accounting podcast helps firm owners build their accounting and bookkeeping business with intention
It’s Not Just the Numbers is a podcast for accounting firm owners, leaders, and professionals building modern firms beyond compliance.

Hosted by Damien Greathead and Penny Breslin, the show explores what it really takes to create a sustainable, advisory-driven accounting practice in a profession undergoing rapid change. From technology, systems, workflow, and pricing strategy to leadership, client experience, staffing, and the future role of the accountant — this podcast goes beyond the spreadsheets and into the real conversations shaping the profession.

Each episode features practical insights, honest discussions, and lessons from firm owners, industry experts, technology leaders, and operators working at the forefront of modern accounting.

Whether you’re building a Client Advisory Services (CAS) practice, refining your operations, navigating AI and automation, or simply trying to build a better firm, It’s Not Just the Numbers delivers thoughtful conversations grounded in real-world experience.

Because the future of accounting isn’t just about compliance.

It’s about strategy.
It’s about relationships.
It’s about systems.
It’s about leadership.
And ultimately, it’s not just the numbers.

A Beyond Numbers podcast.

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Penny Breslin

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Penny Breslin is the founder of MoneyPenny, a consulting firm specializing in helping accounting firms and other businesses embrace the power of technology to simplify their operations and increase their profit margins.

Drawing on her years of experience and her knowledge of what it takes to run a successful business, Penny oversees the development of back office processes for her client firms. From the initial evaluation of the firm’s workflow, to technology selection, and assisting in the on-boarding of the firm’s clients, Penny works with her clients to maximize the benefits of a paperless and cloud-based firm.

Damien Greathead

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Damien has been working in the accounting industry for more than 15 years. In addition to getting his hands dirty preparing tax returns and doing bookkeeping, but the bulk of his experience comes from consulting to both accounting firms and the technology companies that serve the industry.

He set up 2020 Group USA which was a membership group for small and medium sized accounting firms and then went on to set up Receipt Bank (now Dext) in North America.

He regularly speaks to industry bodies on technology, marketing and change management.